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We’ve said it before: TNA is basically the 4th WWE brand behind Raw, Smackdown and ECW in that order. For all the talk of “This is Wrestling” and how they’re the “real alternative” to WWE, the reality is that there is no wrestling on the TV shows and there is nothing that they offer that you can’t get from WWE. WWE has the bigger stars. WWE has the better wrestlers. WWE has the superior skits. WWE absolutely has the better TV matches. WWE has the hotter girls. TNA USED to have the X-Division, but then they became the WWE Juniors Division. Something needs to change.

The sad thing is that this did not result in an immediate changing of the guard or major re-evaluation of the programming. There is an understanding that, yes, they need more wrestling on the shows. But, as usual, instead of looking at the real problems they are still looking at the next carrot to dangle, which in this case is TWO HOUR SHOWS~! Because, after all, one hour just isn’t enough.

My hope is that they get two hours preferably this week and fail quickly, so that, with no other options left (and what other options are there? They’ve got national TV on a strong network, they got a good prime time slot, they got big stars like Christian, Sting, Kurt Angle, etc., and they’ve got a money mark willing to lose millions; they have EVERYTHING they need to succeed), they can sit down and go, hey, maybe something ELSE is wrong; something like the fact that Impact is the shittiest TV show since the heyday of WCW Thunder.

There was a show in I believe November that may have been the worst wrestling TV show I’ve ever seen. When Vince Russo came in I said I’d give him a chance, but figured there was very little possibility that he was any different from the Vince Russo that helped kill WCW. Sure enough, Vince Russo hadn’t learned a goddamn thing since 1997, so basically we got 1997 in 2006, and what a disaster that turned out to be. We got outdated crash TV written by a guy who claims to be a great storyteller, who claims it’s all about the stories and all about the logic, and meanwhile his shitty storylines are such that none of them make any logical sense whatsoever and, unlike pretty much every great story dating back 3,000 years, instead of having a beginning, a middle and an end, we get an end without a beginning, or a beginning without an end, or a popular favorite, the middle without the beginning or the end, or a conclusion that in no way has anything to do with anything else previously in the story. He is, without question, the worst storyteller the world has ever known.

His “improved ratings” came about during a time where TNA also got an earlier time slot, meaning it was probably more the time slot than the writing. If anything, to be completely fair, he has kept the rating steady. Even this is not high praise since the rating had been staying steady since long before he returned to the company (he was around in the early days booking shit like the Dupp Cupp). The real problem is that TNA’s business model isn’t about the ratings, it’s about the money made on PPV. Well, it should be at least. Even if we LIE and claim that they were averaging 800,000 viewers per week when he came and are now averaging 1.6 million, or even 2 million (a figure they have never hit), what does that mean when PPV buyrates are actually LOWER now than when he came in? It means no one gives enough of a fuck about his stupid storylines to see them play out on pay-per-view, the operative term there being “PAY”.

TNA had been doing 25,000 buys on PPV pre-Russo. Russo came in and “booked” Joe vs. Angle I, which increased the number for that PPV to about 60,000 buys. I put “booked” in quotation marks because he really didn’t book anything, they just announced the match. The real booking started after that match when he proceeded to rush two more matches within the next month and a half, all on PPV, and fucked the storyline up to such a monumental degree (remember Angle breaking the ankle of Joe’s mystery girlfriend? If not, don’t worry, Joe and Angle don’t seem to remember either) that the next two shows were down in the 25,000 range again. Recent PPVs are dipping even below that, to around the 20,000 range. This is coming on the heels of doing 1.6 million viewers for a show two weeks ago (and, granted, that number was up because Nielsen is now logging ratings in college dorms). So out of 1.6 million viewers he’s convincing 20,000 of them to buy the PPVs, which is about 1.25% of the viewing audience. Out of every HUNDRED TNA viewers (and these are hardcore loyal viewers), ONE buys a PPV. I’m not certain, but that may be an all-time record low percentage in the history of televised professional wrestling. GO VINCE RUSSO.

I shed no tears for TNA as they spiral into oblivion with Captain McSwervyson at the helm. Anyone with a fucking brain knew this was coming, but Dixie Carter, God bless her, may actually be the Dixie Carter of Designing Women fame for all she’s learned in the past few years about the wrestling business. As mentioned before, nobody in a position of power got those numbers (either the head-to-head Thursday rating or the recent PPV figures) and axed the Vin Man. Instead, they thought, well, that Monday rating was pretty good all things considered!, and no! I wasn’t surprised by that Thursday number, I thought it held up pretty well! Meanwhile, guys are backstage miserable as all hell, the great positive word-of-mouth about the greatness of TNA is no longer being spread, guys are getting hurt and getting their pay docked to pay for the surgeries, the X-Division guys hate life so much that they openly mock it on TV, guys are banned from doing unapproved radio show interviews because they might say something negative about the company due to interviews two former WWE stars gave where they flat-out said that they’d go back to WWE if WWE snapped their fingers, and meanwhile the Forgiven One fiddles away and continues to book the same sort of television that was already out of style when Thunder was putting on the original-but-now-outdone stupidest television shows ever seen by man.

Hate this article? Love TNA? Well, guess what, you’re probably part of the problem. The LAST thing this company needs right now is folks talking about how everything is OK, and people like me are just so mean to rip them apart, and that it just TAKES TIME (how much time, five years, fifteen years, thirty years?), and that you have to LOSE MONEY TO MAKE MONEY (try SPEND money to make money, which is COMPLETELY different), how they’ve GOT TO GET TWO HOURS (they can’t even make one hour great, why the fuck would two hours be any different?), and how RUSSO HAS MADE EVERYONE A STAR (which shows a complete lack of understanding about what it means to be a star). This sort of blind fandom is the equivalent of having an alcoholic friend come up to you in a near-suicidal state telling you that they’ve got to get sober, and you joyously saying great!, let’s go discuss it over a few drinks!

(Quelle: Figure Four Weekly #609 - www.f4wonline.com)

Old Post Posted: 22.02.2007, 09:41 Uhr
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Das mit dem Storytelling hätte man nicht besser sagen können.

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oh mein gott wenn das die tna fans lesen....

gar nicht auszudenken wenn es leute wie "Excellence of Arrogance"
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"Mastermind of Selfishness" lesen....

irgendwie predigt er das was ich aus immer sage....und sooooooo falsch ist das alles wohl nicht!

besonders gefällt mir der teil mit "tna braucht noch zeit" *g*

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Mir gefällt der Teil der Buyrate besonders gut. Bryan hat soooo sehr Recht mit dem Text, bis jetzt mein "Eintrag" des Jahres, eines der besten Artikel die ich in der letzten Zeit gelesen habe

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Old Post Posted: 22.02.2007, 11:10 Uhr
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möglicherweise ist Russo aber nicht der Alleinschuldige?

Lt Torch:

Zitat:
According to new reports by The Pro Wrestling Torch, Vince Russo was overheard making a comment after watching a recent episode of iMPACT! on Spike TV. This source stated Russo said something to the effect of that he "couldn't tell you one thing he just saw" after viewing an episode.

Russo said this in front of members of TNA's management and other staff, which included TNA President Dixie Carter, Jeff Jarrett and Spike TV network executives. The word making the rounds right now is that Russo is just as frustrated as anyone with the number of things he is being told to fit into each episode of iMPACT! every week. There is reportedly pressure to put everyone on TV every week because many talent get paid per TV appearance. Rather than adjust the current pay schedule, TNA management has decided to require that everyone gets a short segment every week.

It is also being said that TNA management wants Vince Russo to relocate to Nashville from Atlanta, where he currently resides. Based on what is known right now, Russo is said to be hesitant about making the move because of the lack of long-term assurances that comes with the role of a booker in the wrestling business. So, while there are no indications that TNA wants to remove Russo from his role right now with the company, he understands there is no long-term guarantee and making this move would be a big change for his family. We will continue to follow this situation as it develops.



Und dann noch gefunden: Cornette die Lösung?

Zitat:

This column is not anti Vince Russo. I think what he did with WCW in its dieing days was, as most people now agree, shambolic, and that he definitely a massive part in the demise of WCW. The argument has been made that although a lot of work would have had to be have been done, WCW could have been saved prior to Russo’s appointment, and I tend to agree that it is a possibility, while you couldn’t have saved it after his work there if you took the best bits of McMahon, Gagne, Rhodes, Heyman, Bischoff, Von Erich and Crockett and mixed them all into one big, gooey delicious wrestling promoter.

In spite of all that, I must say I like a lot of Russo’s work. I thought his stuff in the early days of TNA, with Sports Entertainment Xtreme, was superb. Despite the stupid acronym and the obvious throwback links to pop culture, I think the Raven title chase was the most intriguing television that company has offered us in their relatively short history. Unlike when he was removed from authority in WCW, when he left TNA and was replaced by Dutch Mantell, I was a little bit disappointed and in hindsight, I think they’ve been struggling to put the stories together to go with an in ring product ever since.

So, to reiterate, this column is not anti Russo. He’s done some things I didn’t like, and he’s done some things I do.

But one of my favourite people in wrestling is Jim Cornette.

The outspoken mamma’s boy, wrestling’s Louisville lip, former owner of Smokey Mountain Wrestler, Former manager of the Midnight Express, Former leader of Camp Cornette, Former trainer at OVW and the ‘management director’ of TNA Wrestling, the man brings the NWA back to TNA, and if you’re an old school fan, his involvement in TNA makes you sit up and take notice.

He gives TNA something that no one else manages to; Jeff Jarrett as a top star doesn’t work for them since he’s always been considered minor league by the majority of wrestling fans. Raven, as talented as he is, will always be cast as merely a hardcore wrestler in the minds of old school fans. Christian Cage, despite his superb in ring ability, has often been considered too small. Scott Steiner, a great worker in his youth, embarrassed himself the last time he got truly national exposure, by being barely able to move….. in short, anyone with any star-power they have fails to give them any legitimacy; even Kurt Angle, the Olympic gold medallist. If it wasn’t for the fact that everyone knows he was released from the WWE because of the state of his health, he’d give them legitimacy in spades, but as it is…. Well, the majority of Kurt Angle fans I know didn’t follow him to TNA.

Cornette doesn’t have to wrestle and he gives them that legitimacy, because with his microphone ability and his tremendous career in wrestling, he just carries an air with him. But this isn’t what I wanted to talk about, and I’ve gotten sidetracked into E-Sucking his dick. What I meant to talk about was the recent revelations of the Cornette/Russo situation in TNA.

In a nutshell, apparently they aren’t getting along. Anyone surprised? I seem to remember something about them having a little bit of history as well. Here’s a few extracts taken from an outspoken interview with Jim Cornette back in the days when he was working at OVW, and WCW was still a lumbering, flatulent dinosaur rather than just a memory.

“Speaking of balless gutless *****, Vince Russo, Hello Vince! The balless, gutless *****, do you know how he quit the WWF? Do you know that story?” He was running a video store before Vince let him write for the magazine….

“I’m not saying he’s never had any good ideas, but you know what the problem is? All the good idea’s he’s ever had is from watching the god damn cheap ass B-Movies that he used to rent in his goddamn loser video store! He doesn’t know anything about wrestling, y’know, d’ya hear ding ding ding! Immediately followed 60 seconds later by ding ding ding! Keep the matches short as possible because when that bell rings Vince Russo is lost. Vince Russo is a babe in the woods, Vince Russo is a deer in the headlights, as long as there is a wrestling match going on”

“Vince Russo’s one true talent is to believably lie and say that he is qualified to do something when he is not”

“He didn’t like JR, because JR would tell him when he was full of ****, and so would I. And he didn’t like me either ‘cos I wanted to do wrestling, well goddamn, so we’re a wrestling federation, why not put a little wrestling in there Vince, Russo, every once in a while, what do you wanna do ****** holiday on ice with Chimpanzee’s? As a matter of fact I probably gave him his next Pay Per View”.

It will surely come of little surprise, then, that in light of these comments one of the things that Cornette is doing, if you are to believe the reports, is to call Vince Russo on it when his ideas don’t make sense to Russo. This is obviously going to be a tense working environment.

But if the TNA management can control it, and not let the lid fly off, I don’t see why this can’t be used to the infinite benefit of TNA. It’s generally agreed that Russo wasn’t, as he once claimed, the driving force between the success of the WWE during the attitude era, but lets face it; he did provide a lot of ideas, and play a pivotal role, in the WWE’s most successful years post Hogan/Warrior. While he was too manic and uncontrolled in his time at WCW, when he was controlled during his WWE run (and during his first TNA run) he provided programming that (while it may not be for the wrestling purist) sold a lot of tickets, and that is what all wrestling promoters want first and foremost, followed by their wives to stay faithful in a distant second place.

Jim Cornette, as crazy as it sounds, can be that controlling influence.

I know anyone that remembers the manic tirades of Jim Cornette as being any kind of controlling influence must think I’m mad right about now, but hear me out. Cornette already doesn’t like Russo, and by his own admission has a history of calling Russo on things that he thinks doesn’t make sense, or aren’t right for the company. So he’s certainly not likely to be afraid, or try and suck up to the guy, so politics are much less likely to come into it right there.

Second, TNA is based in Nashville, Tennessee. It tapes it shows in Florida. Its next Pay Per View is scheduled to take place in St. Louis, Missouri. Could this company be any more southern? It has basically taken the place of WCW and the NWA before it in playing to that southern crowd. St. Louis is the HEART of the old NWA, and that audience has never truly taken to the WWE like much of the rest of the country, so as a much smaller company holding a PPV there, TNA management must be one of three things: Ballsy, stupid, or they know their audience.

How much more southern can you get than Jim Cornette? And I’m sure from hearing him speak that he’s damn proud of it. He used to open his OVW shows with “Hello Kentucky-ana!” and by his own admission “doesn’t want to open shows with hello Detroit!” With years spent working in the old NWA in virtually every southern territory and wrestling town, Jim Cornette will know exactly what will fly for an NWA audience. He’ll know exactly when to put the leash on Russo, and exactly when to take it off. In effect, he’ll be performing the same role as Vince McMahon, back in the late nineties.

Of course, with all that tension, there will be a lot of pressure on TNA management to keep it all in check. It won’t be easy, but I think the rewards will be there if they can.

After all, I’m sure we all remember what happened the last time a wrestling company tried to combine the traditional elements of wrestling with the innovative, and tape their shows at Orlando. It sounded a little bit like NWA, but not quite, and the rest is, as they say, history.

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So sehr ich TNA auch mag und Langzeitfan bin, aber grade seit den letzten Wochen könnte man es nicht besser sagen.

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So gehts mir auch! Ich schau TNA echt gerne und mag die Wrestler aber es muss sich einfach was ändern...

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Zitat:
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Hate this article? Love TNA? Well, guess what, you’re probably part of the problem. The LAST thing this company needs right now is folks talking about how everything is OK, and people like me are just so mean to rip them apart, and that it just TAKES TIME (how much time, five years, fifteen years, thirty years?), and that you have to LOSE MONEY TO MAKE MONEY (try SPEND money to make money, which is COMPLETELY different), how they’ve GOT TO GET TWO HOURS (they can’t even make one hour great, why the fuck would two hours be any different?), and how RUSSO HAS MADE EVERYONE A STAR (which shows a complete lack of understanding about what it means to be a star). This sort of blind fandom is the equivalent of having an alcoholic friend come up to you in a near-suicidal state telling you that they’ve got to get sober, and you joyously saying great!, let’s go discuss it over a few drinks!

(Quelle: Figure Four Weekly #609 - www.f4wonline.com)



Verdammt, wie recht er doch damit hat. Der ganze Artikel ist wirklich sehr gut.

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Dieser Artikel entspricht vollkommen der Wahrheit, kann Alvarez in allen Belangen nur zustimmen.

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Super Artikel!

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der mann spricht wahre worte!! ich hab das ganze tna in den himmel gelobe langsam satt...

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Ich kann Alvarez nur zustimmen.
Gibts nichts mehr hinzzufügen.

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@ossyac: Dumm nur, dass ich dem Artikel größtenteils (leider) nur zustimmen kann. Das Einzige was mir mal wieder total gegen den Strich ist sind immer diese verallgemeinerungen wie "...the shittiest TV show...". Darf ich keine andere Meinung haben? Klar ist TNA im Moment alles andere als gut, aber mies sind die Show's noch lange nicht. Von mir aus kann es ihm ja nicht gefallen, aber er sollte nicht so tun, als ob jeder seine Meinung teilen müsste.

@Mr McMahon: Zwei weitere interessante Sachen. TNA will also, dass jeder in jeder Show dabei ist? Was ist denn das für ein Schwachsinn?
Die Mischung aus Cornette und Russo wäre wirklich nahezu perfekt, jedoch bringt sie nur was, wenn das TNA Management nicht Druck macht, dass jeder in die Show muss.

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Wo wird denn bitte in den Himmel gelobt? Das Einzige, was man hier im Forum lesen kann, ist entweder negativ, reines Russo-Bashing oder könnte um den "Wer schreibt den größten realitätsfremden Schwachsinn?" Award antreten(siehe Head to Head mit RAW).

Natürlich hat TNA ein paar Probleme, nur neigen viele zur Übertreibung und so langsam gehen mir die ganzen Trittbrettfahrer und Klugscheißer, die es natürlich alle "viel besser" können tierisch auf die Nerven. Anscheinend hat jeder 0815 Smark und Dirtsheetwriter alle 2 Minuten seine 5 Minuten Deluxe, in denen er vor dem PC DEN glorreichen und rettenden Vorschlag überhaupt abtippt, der TNA komplett umkrempeln und zu 4,0 Ratings und einer Head to Head Konkurrenz mit WWE führen würde.

Auch wenn eine Neu-Auflage der Monday Night Wars noch lange dauern wird, so hat man zumindest erreicht, dass wir uns wieder auf dem damals unerträglichen WWF vs WCW Kleinkrieg-Niveau befinden und das macht wirklich keinen Spaß mehr.

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Da muss ich unserem Sternchen aber einmal wirklich hunderprozentig zustimmen.

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